djm4_lj

Indeed. And without usefully defining what they mean by 'God', which makes it a pretty vague term which can be twisted to mean anything they feel like. I'm beginning to see this as the root of the problem of debating the subject with (most) religious people, actually - they can define God any way you choose, and cite half a dozen theologians to back you up, and then if they're still not winning you over, play the good old 'ineffable' card. "Oh well, you can't possibly understand what God is/does/wants/means, because it's all so big and numinous and Ineffably Other!"