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Jul. 13th, 2005 10:21 am![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png)
Charles Clarke, you are a pillock. And you just have no idea how to respond to any of this, do you?
The Muslim community has already been - very vocally - 'standing out' against the bombings. And just as you are 'shocked' that the bombers could be British, so the Muslim community is shocked that the bombers could be Muslim. Genuinely. It goes against everything they believe in. And telling them that they especially need to speak out against it is just rubbing salt into the wound.
And where, exactly are you going to 'deport' British citizens to? Australia stopped taking our home-grown criminals quite a while ago, you know.
The Muslim community has already been - very vocally - 'standing out' against the bombings. And just as you are 'shocked' that the bombers could be British, so the Muslim community is shocked that the bombers could be Muslim. Genuinely. It goes against everything they believe in. And telling them that they especially need to speak out against it is just rubbing salt into the wound.
And where, exactly are you going to 'deport' British citizens to? Australia stopped taking our home-grown criminals quite a while ago, you know.
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Date: 2005-07-13 10:48 am (UTC)Almost certainly - I'd say it's been a problem in every beeriod of human history.
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Date: 2005-07-13 11:00 am (UTC)I was too young to understand and remember the political and general feeling during the IRA's bombing campaign years but I don't feel as if British people or media expected the WHOLE of northern Ireland to take responsibility for IRA and other terrorist acts. Then again I'm happy to be corrected on that one.
Maybe Clarke will do a deal with Bush deport all suspected homegrown terrorists, or possible-terrorists to the Americans. That way they can chuck them into some no-mans-land prison and claim that they have no rights under some dubious definition of losing any rights to citizenship before they've even been proved to have done anything wrong.
Double plus ungood.
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Date: 2005-07-13 08:01 pm (UTC)Keeping mouth shut must have been hard, as would leaving without being 'pointed' about it.
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Date: 2005-07-14 12:11 pm (UTC)Discretion being the better part of valour, and running away being the better part of discretion and all that...
And the publican didn't want them there either, because it was bad for business, but he wasn't going to tell them to bugger off; well, you wouldn't, unless you wanted trouble.
We had these really dumb Americans with us who kept saying things like "Who's this 'Shaun Finn' whose name is written up all over the place?"
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Date: 2005-07-13 03:45 pm (UTC)Underneath which is the notion one can't be 'british' and 'Muslim'/a nice, easy(as someone here says) othering mechanism to identify 'Them' in 'Our' Midst.
Just the sort of culture to send people running into 'Their' arms.
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Date: 2005-07-13 08:05 pm (UTC)The 3rd generation of immigrants who are 'white' don't stand out so much and therefore are less easily targetable. I mean if they had a German grandparent we wouldn't be behaving like this - even if we did imprison a lot of first generation German immigrants during WW2!
Grrr, and I don't know enough to make a reasoned articulate argument against it all other than "It's wrong damnit, stop misrepresenting things argh". I feel desperately sorry for muslims who are being targetted and made to publically apologise because someone who is perceived to be 'one of them' has done something wrong. I mean if they were Yorkshire folk then why is their 'muslim' identity considered more pertinent than their British/Yorkshire one?
Bah.. Inarticulate grrring.
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Date: 2005-07-13 11:04 am (UTC)Personally, I'm not at all happy with the way the media keep saying they were "UK born of pakistani/asian descent" (my emphasis).
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Date: 2005-07-13 01:41 pm (UTC)The question is, who is the Dimitijevic in this case?
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Date: 2005-07-13 01:18 pm (UTC)There must be another part we would all miss less!
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