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The head of the Catholic Church asks for Catholic adoption agencies to be allowed to refuse to place children with gay couples on religious grounds.

Extract from his full letter:

"We place significant emphasis on marriage, as it is from the personal union of a man and a woman that new life is born and it is within the loving context of such a relationship that a child can be welcomed and nurtured. Marital love involves an essential complementarity of male and female.

We recognise that some children, particularly those who have suffered abuse and neglect, may well benefit from placement with a single adoptive parent.

However, Catholic teaching about the foundations of family life, a teaching shared not only by other Christian Churches but also other faiths, means that Catholic adoption agencies would not be able to recruit and consider homosexual couples as potential adoptive parents.

We believe it would be unreasonable, unnecessary and unjust discrimination against Catholics for the government to insist that if they wish to continue to work with local authorities, Catholic adoption agencies must act against the teaching of the Church and their own consciences by being obliged in law to provide such a service."

I see nothing in what's said there (beyond simple bigotry) that makes single parents acceptable where gay parents are not.

I say:

1) TTBOMK, you don't speak for the Catholics I know
2) If your adoption agencies want to place their bigotry over the welfare of the children, possibly it wouldn't be a 'tragedy' if they were to close.

Date: 2007-01-23 01:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lolliepopp.livejournal.com
TTBOMK

PLease tell me what this means...my brain keeps reading it wrong.

L
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Date: 2007-01-23 01:19 pm (UTC)
djm4: (Default)
From: [personal profile] djm4
'To The Best Of My Knowledge'.

Date: 2007-01-23 01:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kelemvor.livejournal.com
"To the best of my knowledge"?

Date: 2007-01-23 02:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jhg.livejournal.com
I kept parsing it as 'tittie-bonk'.

Which sounds much more fun...


J

Date: 2007-01-23 02:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] valkyriekaren.livejournal.com
It keeps making me think of the joke about 'a man laughing his head off'.

Date: 2007-01-23 01:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thekumquat.livejournal.com
Ditto.
Not to mention they don't ask whether applicants have ever committed adultery, got divorced, whick OK might be in the past, but what about coveting their neighbour's asses/cars, profaning the Sabbath, etc?
If they insisted their clients were Catholic, I'd understand, but that stance on single parents makes no sense.

An even more worrying aspect is 1/3 of children with special needs are handled via Catholic adoption agencies.

As for 'essential complementarity' - wtf???

Date: 2007-01-23 02:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jhg.livejournal.com
...wearing cotton-polyester shirts...

Date: 2007-01-23 02:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shreena.livejournal.com
Catholics are ok with mixed fibres. They don't claim to follow OT laws. (Unlike evangelicals who selectively quote Leviticus...)

But I do think it's silly that they don't seem to care about whether the parents have committed other mortal sins.

Date: 2007-01-23 03:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thekumquat.livejournal.com
Not that I'm any expert on the NT, but my understanding is that the only thing against gays there is Paul's stuff on marriage. If the Catholics were insisting on married god-fearing couples only I could understand it, but they seem fine with unmarried people who I assume are not grilled regularly to check they haven't been having illicit shags and then trying to take the kids away. Or maybe they are questioned weekly?

Who funds these adoption agencies anyway?

Date: 2007-01-23 03:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shreena.livejournal.com
Ah, but Catholics do not base all of their beliefs on the text, even the NT. They also base their beliefs on tradition and authority. That is the strongest argument doctrinally against gay marriage (and women priests and various other things.)

Yeah, I said in my previous comment that I think it's silly not to be checking out the couples for other mortal sins. It's not particularly clear why couples have to conform to this aspect of Catholic belief but not others. I would be a lot more sympathetic to their position if they wanted only to place children with committed Catholic couples.

Date: 2007-01-23 03:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] karenbynight.livejournal.com
As for 'essential complementarity' - wtf???

That bit is particularly bizarre. What about those who have little interest in gender roles? There are a lot of happy opposite-sex marriages that don't have much complementarity between the masculine and the feminine; it can't be that essential.

Date: 2007-01-23 07:32 pm (UTC)
kiya: (Default)
From: [personal profile] kiya
My personal opinion is that if kids absolutely must have essential role models in their immediate families, clearly they need at minimum two mothers (traditional stay at home and liberated corporate go-getter) and several fathers (I'm not as good at popular male-behaviour archetypes).

Date: 2007-01-23 01:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lovelybug.livejournal.com
Yeah...this was on the radio when I woke up this morning, and it made me want to hide back under the duvet again :(

Date: 2007-01-23 01:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wildeabandon.livejournal.com
I suspect this ought to make me angry, but mostly it makes me very sad.

Date: 2007-01-23 02:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sinboy.livejournal.com
Ah. This would be the same Catholic Church that regularly covers up cases of priests molesting children, yes?

Screw them! They blew it. They in no way have any moral high ground on this issue.

Date: 2007-01-23 02:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wechsler.livejournal.com
That probably just helps convince them of the evils of homosexuality.

Date: 2007-01-23 02:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jhg.livejournal.com
Yeah, we had to make *extra-sure* that it's sinful and evil...


J

Date: 2007-01-23 06:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] phantas.livejournal.com
Huge scandal regarding pedophilia with ridiculous huge institution involving many public figures: "oh, see all those boys abused? Clearly homosexuality is to blame" (how many times did I see some correlating pedophilia with homosexuality?)

12-16 year old teenagers at the care of a catholic institution rape, abuse and "kill" (sorry, she "drowned") an homeless transexual and head of institution claims that "he" (the victim) had molested the children and, oh!, there was something there about homosexuals too, what was it?

But surely this sort of things does not happen there, does it?

Date: 2007-01-23 02:36 pm (UTC)
djm4: (Default)
From: [personal profile] djm4
This would be the same Catholic Church that regularly covers up cases of priests molesting children, yes?

Yes, actually.

Date: 2007-01-23 02:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wechsler.livejournal.com
And indeed the same photo of the same Catholic...

Date: 2007-01-23 02:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sinboy.livejournal.com
Wow. Same Cardinal too. Same stock photo of him, even. Why is the press not asking him to explain his behavior?

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